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26 September 2024

What does co-eternal mean in the Bible?


And it was Jesus, formerly of Nazareth.


Power and majesty lay all around him, but it was simply the power of great love and wisdom evenly balanced. 


Welcome to the Land of Redeemed Souls.  


Redeemed? 


Am I to understand by this that you consider yourself the Redeemer of humankind?


Yes, I am a redeemer of humankind. 


Am I then to understand, there is a hell from which the spirit lives and angels of this life have been redeemed?


Yes, there is a hell from which all human souls are constantly being redeemed, but the proper name of this hell is error and ignorance, and I am constantly doing my best to redeem (wo)man from this hell. 


All other angels are redeemers, as well as myself.


Were you begotten by the Holy Ghost? 


That is right 


God and the Holy Ghost are One. 


I was begotten by God, which is the Holy Ghost.


Then you mean to tell me that Mary was your mother, and God was your father?


Yes, Mary was my mother, and God was my Father.


Your assertion sounds very strange, coming as it does from the lips of a pure white angel, as you certainly appear to be.


I and my Father are One, and if I and my Father are one, then I am the father of myself.


The father of yourself


This is my Father


Do you claim that you had no earthly father?


I and my Father are OneI am the father of myself, and so are all other beings.


I existed before my Fatheror at least was co-existent with Him. 


But I understood you to say that you were begotten by the Holy Ghost, and that angel is not God
or the Holy Ghost, and must have once been a (wo)man.


Yes, each was begotten by Godor the Holy Ghost.


I begin to understand you. 


Then you do not claim that you were begotten any differently from the rest of us?


No, I never did intend to claim when I was on the earth that my earthly parentage was any different from that of other men. 


My words were misunderstood by (wo)men


I meant to be understood spiritually instead of literally. 


I meant that my earthly father was not the firstor primal cause of my being


I was co-existent with Godor the Holy Ghost


I and my Father are One


I meant by this that I was God, and God was I, as all other (wo)men and angels are God
as all things that exist are Godas the great whole constitutes God, and Godor the Holy Ghost dwells within all things.


Are you willing now to admit that I and my Father are One, and that I was begotten by the Holy Ghost? 


Are you also willing to admit that I am a redeemer.


But the churches on the earth teach that you are the only Redeemeror Saviour.


The angels within this sphere are all redeemers, and are at work as I am at work.


I am not willing to own you for my Lord and Master
in fact, I think I like Voncelora much better.


He that loves fatheror mother, brotheror sister more than me is not worthy of me.


Is it their personality, which you loveor the love and wisdom, which shines through that personality? 


And when I said, he that loved fatheror mother, brotheror sister more than me was not worthy of me, I merely meant the love and wisdom that was higher than myselfor any other personalitythe love and wisdom, which shone through the personality.


You have not yet made it clear to me how you can be co-existent with Godor the Holy Ghost.


You are willing to admit that spirit and matter are forever and eternal


They had no beginning


They can never have an end


Spirit and matter is Godthe great Father and Mother of All Thingsor in other words, of all form that exists. 


That the blendingor union of spirit and matter producesor brings forth form


All forms are the children of spirit and matter.


Then the germs of all things reside within the never-ending ocean of spirit and matter?


And it is truth, as all wise angels know. 


Then if the never-ending ocean of spirit and matter is God, Father and Mother in One, and their blending brings forth form, and the germs of all things reside within this eternal fount, and they never had a beginning, and consequently can never have an end, was not Jesus right when he said,
I and my Father are One, and by the Holy Ghost was I begotten? 


And now I will explain this matter to you a little. 


Jesus was a despised Nazarene. 


Could any good thing come out of Nazareth? 


This was the way the people talked, and it was to teach them that it did not matter who his parents were
or from what town he cameall this was unimportanthe was a son of Godor Wisdom, and existed long before his earthly father had taken on a form, and was co-existent with God. 


You say, we were all co-existent with God
or rather that we all existed within the ocean of spirit and matter as germs. 


You existed as a germ within the everlasting ocean of spirit and matter. 


These germs were breathed into the lungs of men. 


That manbeing the positive forceattracted and held them. 


From the lungs they passed into the blood


There became clothed with material substance


Nourished and fed by the mother, they were born into the earth life as human beings. 


Therefore, (wo)man is co-existent with Godis a part of Godis the father of himself.


In the form of a spiritual germ—or germinal point, you had no beginning


In the form of progressed angel, you can have no end


You are eternal, co-existent with God, which means all things that areor ever shall be.




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