How are souls judged in the underworld?

You are in the dim lurid light of the underworld surrounded by horrible elemental shapes or creatures of the most loathsome aspect who are attacking you fiercely. 

You have lost all sense of time, but this seems to have been going on for what seems an eternity.

It is only the very worst specimens of humanity that have anything to do with this dreadful region after death—human characters are often complicated in their constitution. A human may have a great deal of good in his nature blemished by some abominable characteristics, and one above all is calculated to give the person so affected a period of suffering on the second sub-level.

The most beautiful human emotion is love—the behaviour in life, which that emotion prompts is benevolence, kindness to others, sympathy, and all the varieties of that characteristic.

When the love principle is missing from the nature, the result may be callous indifference to suffering in others, sometimes leading to acts of positive cruelty. Then just as active love is a force, leading to blissful conditions of astral existence, active cruelty leads to a glimpse of—or a more protracted sojourn on the terrible second sublevel.

The wild caricature of these regions embodied in ecclesiastical theology assumes that hell is governed by the devil who takes a delight in torturing his victims. This is so grotesque a perversion of the truth that one cannot easily understand how even the moderate intelligence guiding ecclesiastical thought can have been content with the theory.

Clearly, if there is a region of existence designed to be a region of suffering where suffering has a purifying purpose, that region must be ruled by Divine will, not by any diabolical agency revelling in cruelty for its own sake.

In reality, the regions of suffering are confided to the rule of a Being of infinite sublimity, goodness, mercy and love.

They constitute the mighty reformatory of the world, and the Being who rules them is spoken of by the great masters of wisdom themselves with deep reverence and admiration.

For the stupendous duty in question would never have been imposed by Divine will on any being qualified to undertake it.

Its acceptance was a voluntary act of the most unparalleled self-sacrifice.

He who undertook it is known in the occult world as Melan.

He belongs to an order of superadepts spoken of by those who still use the beautiful old term brothers for the Masters of the White Lodge as the fathers.

Besides the two submerged levels, the third, immediately in contact with the earth's surface is included in Melan's realm. The lower of the two submerged levels is hardly connected with human experience. It is chiefly a region of strange elemental life of a kind that we should regard as horrible if we had any contact with it. It is, of course, extremely varied in its aspects. Its worst conditions are very dark and wretched.

I use the word worst in preference to lowest because the lowest in the spatial sense is that part immediately in touch with the physical earth's surface, and people who cannot get away from the physical surroundings to which they have been used in life are uncomfortable certainly, but not so badly off as others also entangled with the conditions of level number three.

Who controls creation?

What is the extent of God's control over creation?

Can the Grand Central Sun be seen from our earth?

What is the extent of God's control over creation?

Can there be bounds to creation?

What is the extent of God's control over creation?

What is the extent of God's control over creation?

You said that you might spend 20,000 years in flight towards the boundaries of creation and be unable to reach them, is it the same with the great ones, the messengers of the Most High?

No, though the same in form, they are far superior to us in power, never having been in connection with the material body. 

I have some difficulty in getting you to comprehend this, there being nothing in all creation to which I may liken the quickness of their flight. It is quicker than thought if you can conceive of such. 

The difference is very great between their flight and ours, quick as that is. No gross material form has left its heavy impress upon these Holy Ones, but coming direct from the creative hand of the Great Maker, they are pure.

No doubt we are the offspring of the same Great Father, but we come in a different way.

These Holy Ones are not only pure, sinless, but as God Himself, making the lightnings of heaven their chariots.

Can there be bounds to creation?

I cannot tell, though we should live throughout eternity, we shall never be able to find out the extent of God's works.

Am I right in concluding from all you have been saying to us that we can never form any idea of the person of the Most High and that the only God that can be personally manifested to us is the Anointed One, Jesus the Prince?

He is the only representation, which humankind in the body can have of God. But I am more and more inclined to believe that the Great and Mighty Spirit, the Master of All Worlds, the Father of us all, is in the likeness of human. The intelligent beings of every world are similar in shape and form, and therefore, I conclude that the Great Father, in bringing forth his children, formed them in His own likeness, that in sending His Son into the world, He sent Him in His own image.

But does not your answer imply that the form or person of God must be something material?

He must be something, whatever the form, it must be composed of certain elements.

If then God is confined to form, how can He be everywhere present?

It is by His wisdom, love and power that all worlds in the great expanse are upheld. The influences, flowing from Him extend to all things in all worlds, but He may not in person be everywhere present. Let me illustrate this. When we desire to act upon our medium without removing in person from our sphere, we send forth our influence to bear upon him and we find him in a suitable condition when we do come. This we sometimes do under certain circumstances.

Can the Grand Central Sun be seen from our earth? I have heard it stated that one of the cluster called the "Seven Stars" is that great central body.

No, it is not visible. It is far beyond that cluster of stars. Some of these are vast systems round which your system with all its mighty worlds revolves, the sun and its attendants are but as satellites to these, and they in turn revolve round others, and on and on in order and harmony amazing. The nearest you can come to the Grand Centre is when you cross the luminous belt called the " Milky Way."

Do the great rulers of the other worlds, those whom you refer to as the ''Anointed Ones," and as being like Jesus the Prince ever visit your sphere?

O yes, and they are like him. But high and holy beyond all description though they be, Jesus the Prince stands higher and is greater than they. And why? Because he has trod the earth in a material body and has thus been subjected to trials, which they have never experienced, thereby accomplishing more than any other. In the eyes of these Holy Ones, He is nearer to the Great Father than anyone, and is so held in the estimation of all his subjects.

Do you know of any spirit sphere within the bowels of our earth, such as was held by the ancient Hebrews?

No, no. The earth internally is a molten mass of matter. When the earth becomes cool and solid, then will the great change take place. A new creation will be formed on its surface. I may be wrong, but I have the idea that it cannot be otherwise. Your men of science may have attained to a greater knowledge on this subject than I had when a dweller on the earth, but I bestowed much attention to the study of the rocks and I found that wherever there was pressure, there must be heat. In my day it was dangerous to say that the earth was a round ball, but I believed it to be so, and calculated that there was a pressure over all towards the centre, and therefore, that centre must be a molten mass.

In the writings of one of the Apostles it is said, "The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin." What is your opinion on this subject?

I again say, His death had nothing to do with the taking away of the sins of men. In a certain sense, however, He may be said to have died for us when He shed his blood in vindication of the principles He inculcated, those truths that He endeavoured to implant within human, truths fitted when embraced to uplift him from sin and its sufferings to holiness and happiness. But His death is of no avail otherwise. 

He who commits sin must suffer for sin. 

I cannot suffer or be judged for your transgression, yes, He became a martyr for the truths he taught, and guided in life by those truths, you are saved from sin and its consequences. Follow closely in his footsteps and you will triumph over all the evils that beset you.

Do you know of any other material world, the inhabitants of which are in the same condition morally as those of the earth?

No, they seem never to have risen in pride against the laws of the Creator.

On one occasion you spoke of a material world that had been destroyed because of the wickedness of the inhabitants.

Yes, I did. I had no knowledge of it from my own experience, but I have heard it referred to by others in the Great Temple. In that case there was no deliverer. That world was totally destroyed, but not the spirits of its inhabitants. Their bodies were swept away, but they themselves have long since been raised to holiness and glory. I have known of worlds, what you would call worlds, that have been broken up, but these were worlds in process of formation, I mean comets. These are composed in their first condition of gases, and these gases, getting on fire, the vast mass rushes off in its course, blazing through space, and at length, after millions of years, it begins to cool on its external surface, a crust is formed and the nearest system of planets draws the new world within the circle of its influence when it moves on in regular procession. But there are times when two such bodies in process of formation come into collision in their erratic course and are broken up into smaller bodies. Though broken, they are not lost—the fragments fly off in a dozen different ways, the smaller attracted towards other worlds while the larger go on forming new worlds.

Are those High and Holy Ones Who are the rulers of systems of worlds, the creators of worlds?

I do not know. But it seems to me that all creation is but the effect of laws laid down by the Great Spirit. Creation is ever going on.

It is said in one of the gospels, referring to Him Who is there called ''the Word," ''All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made. Moses in his account of creation says, "Let us make man in our own image." Who are the us who were thus called to take part in creation?

I believe it refers to our Prince and the others. The Great and Mighty Spirit called them into His counsels in the great work though so far as Moses was concerned, he gives merely what tradition had imparted to him, not revelation.

What is your opinion as to the payment of mediums?

There is an Eastern saying, which will give you my opinion on this subject. It is this—"Do not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn." But where gain is to be made, there is danger that the practice may lead to necromancy or the black art, practised by ancient magicians who called on evil spirits to assist them in their work.

—Hafed, Prince of Persia—His Experiences in Earth Life and Spirit Life

What does perfect liberty mean?

Suffering is one of the penalties the human family has to endure as a consequence of misapplied and perverted natural laws.

Harmony of thought and feeling is not incompatible with bodily weaknesses and may be enjoyed if you only pursue the right means to obtain it.

Z. (in spirit) explains—Much can be done by you yourself, much by those around you, so live in constant watch and control over yourself that no bitter or angry thought will be allowed entrance—if it comes with its inharmonious suggestions, drive it from you as you would a viper.

Never allow yourself to think that others are unkind, ungenerous, uncongenial or untrue because they may not happen to think and feel as you do—

Remember they have minds constituted entirely different to yours, what may interest and benefit you may take no hold on them—they think and judge from their own standpoint and may be quite unable to receive those truths that may be your highest happiness. 

In cases like these, much positive suffering often supervenes—all from the want of a little charity and self-control.

Set a guard over yourself, retain your own opinion, at the same time give your opponent the same privilege and leave him to its enjoyment.

Argument in such cases is always bad, it stirs up contention and discords, the temper sometimes fails, then more is said than was meant or really believed and the suffering is intensified to both parties. 

But where there is more intimate union than friendship, where the family circle is broken in upon by these miserable wrangles, sometimes on subjects quite immaterial to the parties, as respects their happiness here or hereafter, what an amount of misery is induced! 

The heavy heart, the sinking spirit, the lost energies and faded person too frequently attest it, but men and women are unconscious of the mischief they are doing and more frequently think they are performing good service for the cause they desire to advocate.

All contention is wrong, all strife produces suffering, the strong oppress the weak, the rich the poor, and so on.

Whenever one tyrannizes over another, there suffering and inharmony is produced.

Follow the perfect law of liberty and continue therein, giving and receiving the freedom God always destined for you—it will not lead to licentiousness or any other vice if rightly understood, but it is absolutely necessary that it should be enforced and put in practice if you wish to make yourself, and others happy.

Binding the person in chains is bad enough, but fettering the mind and feelings are far more to be dreaded.

Have freedom to follow out your own ideas of happiness.

If you are so constituted that society and pleasurable excitements are your delight, enjoy them—in such things, there is no sin, the sin is in the excess, that you must and will avoid if you are rightly developed and brought up.

If another prefers study and solitude, let him enjoy them—there is no sin, only in the excess, each after his own fancy and each one giving to the other the same privilege he takes himself—the right to be happy his own way.

You must not exalt yourself because you think you have better teachings and live a higher life—the characteristics of the two may be entirely opposite and what is pleasure to the one may be purgatory to the other. 

But is that any reason why you should not be as happy in your own way as the intellectual man in his? 

Certainly not—you may indeed be the happier of the two if the better feelings of your nature teach you to sympathize with your fellow creatures and relieve their sufferings. 

After all, what are you sent into this world for, but to develop for a higher? 

And how must you accomplish this in the best manner? Should this not be your earnest study, the question for you to put to yourself and find out for yourself?

To yourself you must stand or fall.

If you think you have found out the best means of accomplishing this necessary work, follow them out earnestly, but do not condemn another if you see a different path up this same mount of progress.

What is the cause of creation?

What is the driving force behind creation?

Desire is the driving force behind creation. Without it, nothing could exist.

—Omni-Emmanuel

John L. Payne, Omni Reveals the Four Principles of Creation, 2001, Findhorn Press, United Kingdom, Chapter 4, We Create Our Own Reality, 44

How did Christ open up the spirit world to those on earth?

Why does God allow so much misery?

What exists in His Glory alone?

The highest laws of mechanics are used in the constructive mechanism of the Universe.

As a crude illustration, compare the Universe to a watch—the solar system may be compared to one of the wheels of the watch, its many planets, the cogs in the wheel, the sun, the centre upon which all revolve. 

But, remember, it is only one wheel amid many, necessarily, of course, perfect in its motions to the finest breadth of space and the most minute span of time that it may do its allotted work as a factor in God's Infinite Plan, yet it is no more than one simple wheel, as compared to the whole watch, and the finger, which turns the key to the whole is God's.

The will-force is in God and with God. That which is before and back of everything. His will is communicated to all, making each what it is.

He is the fount of life from which all life flows, and His the controlling energy of all things, which possess energy or force of any kind.

Each thing in the Universe, from the smallest to the greatest is endowed by him and of Him with the energy or forces needed to its work in the place where He has appointed it—

All is God—all exists to His glory alone. But each individual soul is superior to the grandest planet in this—it is an inheritor of the Divine Mind.

Leaflets of Truth or Light from the Shadow Land

What is the deceptive power of sin?

Your time on earth is but a grain of sand when compared to the eternity of the soul. That is why Jesus was able to resist such terrible temptations. He knew that their duration was momentary and that pain was as illusory as pleasure. By exerting complete control over the material world, He gained power over it. All the miracles he accomplished were natural because he understood the cosmos and its laws.

—Kirkudian

Migęne Gonzalez-Wippler, What Happens After Death, Scientific & Personal Evidence for Survival, 1997, Llewellyn Publications, Minnesota, U.S.A., Part Two, Kirkudian, 9, Separation, 224-5

Who wants to manage a millionaire?

He is very winning and polite to the millionaires whom he hopes to soon make billionaires.

Go right on—

You will soon be billionaires instead of millionaires. The millionaires will presently be counted as small fry, scarcely worth thinking about.

You must be a billionaire even if ten thousand perish with cold. What is that to you?

You did not put the ammonia and chalk into it, not you. Go right on, sir, for you will soon be a billionaire.

You must be a billionaire—

I consider that the elegant churches of the land belong to me. I have absolutely ousted that Nazarene and taken possession.

Smart am I? Shrewd and smart?

Well, yes, I flatter myself that I am somewhat. 

My golden hoofs and sharp effective horns aid me much, and my forked tail is very beguiling. 

I am able to make men think that black is white and white black.

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